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Alejandro oh my gosh there's what's not

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there's the Rosen wide nose then there's

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nothing going on

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Randle today and congratulated him on a

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nice show on your podcast great

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interview I suggest anyone shoot over to

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open minds t TV and listen to that

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podcast and he did a great job and I I

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blissfully ignorant of it yes please

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keep me blissfully ignorant I don't want

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to know nice place to be yeah so what is

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going on the news this week yeah so to

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a story about it so it's in the video

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mysterious and it does look you know

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what the object possibly could have been

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birdie and golf terms is ie but that's

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because this thing is most likely a bird

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flight when it's wings are kind of even

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cigar shaped it looks you know

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ends and and that's what this looks like

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bird kind of Bank and fly off so that's

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news well that will be in the video and

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everything will be connected in the

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story oh yeah we've got to be done

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everything in our story at open mind

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Stevie okay and we'll have that link in

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our show notes and I just want to know

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the thing was you know Tiger Woods

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abducted or anything do you know no

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Tiger Woods was not abducted but he DC's

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he kind of he just is so uncomfortable

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field it seems like he's just not the

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Tiger Woods he used to be unfortunately

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and he probably wishes he were abducted

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yeah need to go into that whole

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situation all right this is really cool

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the area 51 movie and this was done by a

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guy named the Ron Moore and a really

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some hardcore kind of rock music but

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big fan of ours so he wrote this from a

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UFOs so he talks about how in this new

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area 51 it's a found footage film made

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which of course is huge and everybody

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activities so this is kind of similar

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where these guys go in sneak into area

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actual research in the film and there

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norio was laughing because he's like I

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gonna happen anymore so he's like I just

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character interview him while they

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filmed the main character filming George

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Knapp you know and they film that so it

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he said that he had forgotten completely

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get made because so many years had

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paranormal activity so he saw you know

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since his interview with them they've

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become these big stars or and their

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a shot many many years ago in the film

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so kind of funny kind of cool that

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you'll be able to see some UFO

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researchers in this movie I haven't seen

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it yet but I do want to see it for that

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reason alone that otherwise the reviews

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our mix there's lots of people saying

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their own the guy who wrote the story

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liked the movie and so we have some

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people saying that he's full of it and

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the movie was awful but yeah you know

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that's how it goes with movies yeah well

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I'm looking forward to seeing it myself

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now Paranormal Activity was released in

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so this should be going way back then

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about that so

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don't think anybody could sneak on area

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alarms and that's up my fur god yeah in

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the interview George Knapp did say he

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has an idea of how to sneak on to area

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that idea is because he doesn't want

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anybody to try it and then he'll get in

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trouble when they get caught or

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something I think that right

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doesn't seem easy yeah I don't think so

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I know I'm trying to remember his name

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he's he goes to a lot of UFO conferences

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Austin or something like that real fun

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guy anyway he said he just jumped over

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the line and jumped back just to say he

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could do it they got in his car and

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drove off that's funny because I did see

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a video just the other day and it says

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crossing the line at area 51 so I

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watched it and it's these guys in this

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moat and their motorcycles they go to

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the to the area where the sign is and

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they're kind of hanging out there then

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one of them goes past the sign just a

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few feet and then they all take off and

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they go as fast as they can and get out

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of there so kind of funny they weren't

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chased or anything but of course there

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are some or many people who have crossed

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the line who have gotten in trouble and

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had to spend some time in jail that's

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right it was funny guys so what else is

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going on for the news the other one is

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this a UFO inside of a building so this

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is a u.s. space walk of fame museum they

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caught on their security cameras twice

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in one week these orbs inside of their

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building and you know one of the videos

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the most impressive shows this orb

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coming off camera it moves and then it

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kind of turns around and comes back and

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then goes on screen a little for a

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little bit longer the director of the

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museum says they have ghostly activity

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there and he thinks they're mysterious

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he says the

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guy that installed their security system

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doesn't know what it is he said that

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their AC system was off so he doesn't

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think it was something blowing around

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like dust or something like that so he

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believes it to be a genuine mystery so

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it's gotten a lot of talk and a lot of

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people looking at these interesting

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videos you know I was wondering about

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that after I was on your show the other

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day whether this this place had any type

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of you know air ventilating system cause

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it's no it's sort of moved very quickly

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almost like something would move into a

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gust of wind of some type and then move

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the other way quickly but you know by

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golly could just be an orb you never

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know it could who knows and then of

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course because it's a Space Museum

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people have said maybe it's an alien but

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it's kind of more along the line of what

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the ghost hunters are kind of looking

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for but a pretty interesting video it's

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a fun video this story's getting out

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there so I definitely remember at least

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take a look and tell us what you think

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yeah you know the they're all excited

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because it's getting some press you know

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they'll probably get more visitors and

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and and all that you know realistically

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I think it's probably some type of dust

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particle they just they just need to

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figure it out and I'm sure if that's the

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case so they will see it again because

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they recently moved into this new

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building they haven't been in there that

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long so that's like it's an old building

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but they have not been in at in it that

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long and they didn't get into detail

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although maybe he's been interviewed

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again by now this is in Titusville

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Florida by the way but he do say there's

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been other you know what he believes to

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be ghostly activity in this building

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that's right and this week a little

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later on you're going to contact in the

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desert and you're speaking right that's

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right yeah this weekend I will be at

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contact in the desert at the Joshua tree

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retreat center it's kind of near 29

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palms in California so hopefully people

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will be there I'll be speaking Saturday

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night and Sunday morning

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both of these I think will be fun like

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your regular ticket will get me into my

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Saturday night lecture and that's gonna

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be about really strange et cases oh man

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and I would love for you in particular

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to see this talk sometime because I

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cover you know of course people will

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know Martin and I are on the skeptical

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end of the scale I think when it comes

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to UFOs however what I cover are

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abduction cases and alien contact cases

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that have made a real difference in how

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people think about this stuff and or

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mostly unknown are not very well known

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at all but are or are very credible like

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that happened a long time ago before

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this phenomena was even really known

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about so they're really compelling cases

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and interesting and strange and so they

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really even for the hardened skeptic

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like like us you know make you scratch

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your head so I think it's a really fun

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talk and then I've done it at the local

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MUFON and I developed it specifically

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for a crowd that's you know more into

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kind of the fringe type of stuff and

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then Sunday morning I'm kind of being

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more tight-lipped about the topic but

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it's about the absolute strangest

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abduction case I've ever been involved

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in and I'm kind of just doing a workshop

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where it's like here's what I happen to

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me what do you guys think

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am I being fooled is this a hoax and if

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so how can we account for some of these

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things that are really strange including

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some of my personal experiences attached

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to this some people who are you know

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about my research in a more

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controversial stuff I've been attached

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to will probably be able to figure out

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which case I'm talking about here so I'm

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gonna have to check that out thank you

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so much thank you so much and we'll talk

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to you next week yeah twice next week

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alright everyone hang in there we'll be

402
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right back after the music break with

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okay I want to apologize first of all to

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everyone seems like I've been doing that

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a few times but this time it was a

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microphone problem and this show almost

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didn't happen by about 15 seconds

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literally no joke we just got it cranked

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and just before that and luckily we got

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it fixed and so I have Leslie cane and

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Jose lei they are on Google like a

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Google Chat which I've never used that

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was another challenge but can you hear

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all right so how is the volume volume

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Martin is it okay everything seems to be

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fine in this end they'll let us know in

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the chat room also listeners just to let

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you know we're gonna allow calls tonight

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we'd like to call in that six zero three

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nine six seven four oh three oh just

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quickly wholesale a we've had him on a

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few different times I got to meet him as

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well as Leslie down in North Carolina

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two or three years ago now it is and

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Jose is the international affairs

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director of the sefa ha that's Chile's

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official agency I hope I pronounced that

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right investigating UFOs and of course

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Leslie Kane is a well known journalist

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you all know her New York Times best

431
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seller her great book I think is the

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book out there myself on UFOs generals

433
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pilots and government officials go on

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the record and they will be the guests

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and they're here right now so glad to

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have them and we're gonna be talking

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today about news story Leslie why don't

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you go into this story as you just

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00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:42,620
published us in The Huffington Post

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recently ok well thanks a lot for having

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us on Martin and I don't know how many

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listeners have read the story but it is

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on the Huffington Post right now if

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anybody wants to log on while we're

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doing the show and it's basically about

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a case from me that the Sephiroth which

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is josé's agency which is part of the

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chilean government investigated very

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very thoroughly with the help of lots of

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from people which he can tell you about

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but just to give you an overview of the

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case it took place in September of 2012

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and it took place at the Air Force War

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Academy in Santiago Chile and we refer

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to it as the agra case AGA because the

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agra AGA is the acronym as the initials

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for the Air Force War Academy which in

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Spanish is the academia de Guerra area I

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don't know if I said it right but anyway

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so the agra refers to the academy where

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it took place and basically what

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happened was there were three witnesses

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to a sighting which involved three

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different formations there was a

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sergeant involved at the academy and a

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paramedic and an emergency medical

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technician who we can refer to as the

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EMT the two paramedic and the EMT came

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to fill up their ambulance with gas at

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the academy because they have a pump

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there and the sergeant was assisting

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them and they saw these lights coming in

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over the andes mountain so which are

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very large mountains that you see

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everywhere in santiago it was nighttime

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it was early in the night about I

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believe was around 7:45 p.m. so it was

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dark and the lights basically came over

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the mountain and at first they thought

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they were helicopters but quickly

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realized especially the sergeant who had

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been in the Air Force for 27 years and

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was very experienced at dealing with

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helicopters well that's quite soon that

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they were not helicopters for one thing

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they were completely silent and the

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lights drew closer and they witnessed

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them form

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first of all of a horizontal line there

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were five lights then a triangle and

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then a circle and during this time two

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of the the paramedic and EMT actually

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pulled out their cell phones and we're

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filming them the sergeant was kind of

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running around he was very kind of

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frightened and responsible for the

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security of the base so he was he was

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calling out for the guard in the guard

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post to come out and he was just very

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alarmed by it

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and they all describe eventually there

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was a lot of interviews and we can I

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don't know how much you want me to go

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into actually what happened that's

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actually the nature of the case and then

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what happened was after it was over took

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a couple of minutes for them to witness

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these things a general came by happen to

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come by the Agra the Air Force Academy

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shortly after the event within five

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minutes he was just dropping something

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off and he was able to interview three

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witnesses and observe how absolutely

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shaken they were he said that the

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sergeant was just at was white you know

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they were they were really really

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disturbed by what they had seen

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particularly the sergeant and he was

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able to report and file a written a

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written statement about that later on

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but it was very important the fact that

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there was this very credible person who

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came by so quickly and then the director

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of the Academy was called he came over

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within fifteen minutes and so that's

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what happened the actual night of the

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event so phase two is is describing what

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happened during the investigation well

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we got plenty of time on the show here

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so uh Jose when did this first get

531
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reported to you when did you first hear

532
00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:13,040
about it and the one thing for the

533
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listener that hasn't heard this before

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this aha if I'm pronouncing that right I

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know it's something like that is an

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amazing government agency and why don't

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you explain a little bit more about that

538
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I know we've talked about it here a

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number of times but you know we have new

540
00:24:32,770 --> 00:24:31,970
listeners coming in all the time so if

541
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:32,780
you wouldn't mind

542
00:28:39,840 --> 00:24:35,570
telling us what the government agency is

543
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,110
and I think it's absolute

544
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:46,000
wonderful example and hopefully other

545
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:48,850
countries will fall Leslie you have

546
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:50,950
really advocated for this to happen

547
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:54,370
other countries to follow in the

548
00:28:59,010 --> 00:28:56,890
footsteps basically of Chile can you

549
00:29:02,430 --> 00:28:59,020
talk a little bit about that have you

550
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:02,440
made any progress by exposing what they

551
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:08,559
do to other countries I just want to

552
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:10,690
clarify one thing first when Jose was

553
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:18,010
referring to the DGA sea is the

554
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:20,770
Department of Civil Aeronautics in Chile

555
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,050
just to give people that clarity which

556
00:29:27,419 --> 00:29:25,600
is underneath the super underneath the

557
00:29:30,330 --> 00:29:27,429
purview of the Air Force so it's within

558
00:29:32,790 --> 00:29:30,340
the Air Force it's kind of like RFA so

559
00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:32,800
the sefa I was basically a department

560
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,460
within the equivalent of the FAA here so

561
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:38,820
so to answer your question about I

562
00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:42,160
definitely have been you know one of the

563
00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:43,900
reasons I feel that it's so important to

564
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:46,780
make the work of the Sephiroth known is

565
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:49,450
because I do feel that they are set such

566
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:52,030
a good example for the world in terms of

567
00:29:58,350 --> 00:29:55,600
how an agency can operate very

568
00:30:01,320 --> 00:29:58,360
efficiently and get a lot of work done

569
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:01,330
and do great investigations with all the

570
00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:04,030
resources available to them without it

571
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:08,140
costing a lot and it's just they do it

572
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:11,770
beautifully and seamlessly there and so

573
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:14,559
I have the work that I do behind the

574
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:17,050
scenes in Washington and I it's very

575
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:18,610
very difficult when you say if I made

576
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:21,730
any progress I would say some progress

577
00:30:28,350 --> 00:30:25,330
but it's really really slow and there

578
00:30:31,169 --> 00:30:28,360
are certain people that are interested

579
00:30:32,669 --> 00:30:31,179
in this who I can inform about things

580
00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:32,679
that go on and one of the important

581
00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:34,990
components of that is the work of the

582
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:38,590
Chilean government but making progress

583
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:41,770
in Washington is not an easy job so I

584
00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:43,570
can't really I don't know if I can

585
00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:45,940
describe it as progress except on a

586
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:49,240
smaller scale but you never know when a

587
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:51,130
break will come you never know when that

588
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:53,710
moment will come where something can

589
00:30:58,530 --> 00:30:56,470
give and it's just a matter of

590
00:31:01,260 --> 00:30:58,540
for the people involved who really do

591
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:01,270
want to support this effort that I'm

592
00:31:07,170 --> 00:31:05,080
making for them it's they only can do

593
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:07,180
what they can do given all the

594
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:08,950
circumstances that they're involved with

595
00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:11,890
and so it's really so much of it as a

596
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:13,750
matter of timing and the positioning of

597
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:16,660
various people and you know it can have

598
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:18,250
it will happen when it can happen but

599
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:20,680
there's so many factors that affect it

600
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:23,470
right so that's just we just have to be

601
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:25,330
very very patient but I do say but I

602
00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:28,210
can't emphasize enough the more that

603
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:31,180
people can learn about how agencies like

604
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:34,720
the one in Chile operate world I think

605
00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:38,460
the better informed we all are to

606
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:40,420
hopefully have something like that

607
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:42,490
happen here when the time is right for

608
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:45,850
that right and you know you being

609
00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:48,120
patient and thorough

610
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:51,550
I'm sure means a lot to the people that

611
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,890
you're quietly dealing with but what

612
00:31:58,350 --> 00:31:56,320
happens when something you know fringy

613
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,360
makes the news I'm not going to we all

614
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:00,880
know what happened recently but how does

615
00:32:05,970 --> 00:32:03,730
that how do these things set you do they

616
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:05,980
set you back or do you just immediately

617
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:08,890
address it with the people involved that

618
00:32:14,670 --> 00:32:11,050
you're talking to and just say you know

619
00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:14,680
this is you know crazy we understand you

620
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:16,660
know there's some most people in this

621
00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:18,970
field are not thinking in this manner or

622
00:32:25,530 --> 00:32:20,380
something like that how do you address

623
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:25,540
that or do you it's just not necessary

624
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,250
Martin because the people at the higher

625
00:32:31,470 --> 00:32:29,200
levels in Washington that are interested

626
00:32:33,270 --> 00:32:31,480
in this do not pay any attention to the

627
00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:33,280
kind of shenanigans that go on I mean

628
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:35,350
it's just it's not on the radar screen

629
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:37,710
and if it does come up as a little blip

630
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:41,620
they know it's so obvious and so clear

631
00:32:52,650 --> 00:32:43,690
but it's not necessary for me to explain

632
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:52,660
anything to them I see and now what

633
00:32:57,450 --> 00:32:55,750
about other governments I mean yeah yeah

634
00:33:00,270 --> 00:32:57,460
no no do you want to elaborate more than

635
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,280
that that's fine I'm just gonna say I

636
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,080
mean it's unfortunate when these things

637
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:04,480
happen I certainly don't think it's you

638
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:06,850
know it's it's definitely an unfortunate

639
00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:08,170
thing

640
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:12,280
and but I think that so much of what I'm

641
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:14,230
doing is sort of outside of the whole

642
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:18,730
realm of the UFO UFO og world that

643
00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:20,440
whatever goes on in that sort of

644
00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:22,270
self-contained world I don't think is

645
00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:25,870
really significant for for this bigger

646
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:30,220
picture that I mean it just doesn't

647
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:32,230
impact the world the work that I do very

648
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:36,370
much and the more sophisticated people

649
00:33:40,380 --> 00:33:38,290
can see through it that's the thing I

650
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:40,390
mean the more sophisticated people who

651
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:43,330
are outside of the UFO world and the

652
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:45,490
mythology world can see right through it

653
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:47,650
so it just doesn't have much effect I

654
00:33:51,630 --> 00:33:49,210
think it has much more of an effect

655
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:51,640
within the self-contained world that you

656
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:53,110
follow just have created for themselves

657
00:33:59,640 --> 00:33:55,690
than it does for those working outside

658
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,650
of that mm-hmm you hear a lot a lot of

659
00:34:05,070 --> 00:34:00,880
times you hear that we need to drain the

660
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:05,080
swamp saying a lot but I just want to

661
00:34:09,870 --> 00:34:07,480
tell the listener out there if you'd

662
00:34:12,419 --> 00:34:09,880
like to call in you can call in and ask

663
00:34:15,630 --> 00:34:12,429
Leslie or a Jose a question and that

664
00:34:18,870 --> 00:34:15,640
phone number is six zero three nine six

665
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:18,880
seven four row three oh we have a

666
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:22,649
question up on the message board where

667
00:34:27,090 --> 00:34:24,730
someone wants to know after you

668
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:27,100
published your book generals pilots and

669
00:34:31,139 --> 00:34:28,300
government officials go on the record

670
00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:31,149
have you gotten a lot of new stories

671
00:34:43,139 --> 00:34:33,550
from credible military personnel since

672
00:34:45,419 --> 00:34:43,149
that time from Chile so I've got some

673
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:45,429
very interesting stories from from Chile

674
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:47,470
that I've actually published on The

675
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:49,270
Huffington Post so I would encourage

676
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:50,710
that person to just go to The Huffington

677
00:34:55,110 --> 00:34:53,110
Post website and search my name and

678
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,120
you'll find those stories and really

679
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,040
since the book came out my main interest

680
00:35:02,430 --> 00:34:59,920
has been to observe and learn more about

681
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:02,440
the work of the the French agency and

682
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:04,780
the Chilean agency those two those two

683
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:06,310
areas and there have been some great

684
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:10,960
cases that have come from those I'm not

685
00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:12,970
sure I is going to be able to stay on

686
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:14,920
too late tonight so I'm hoping we can

687
00:35:18,810 --> 00:35:16,630
maybe turn the floor over to him a

688
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:18,820
little bit more okay I can we stay on

689
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:21,970
later okay sure

690
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:25,270
josè have you just just throwing this

691
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:26,730
question out of my hat here have you

692
00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:29,650
have you or your agency I should say

693
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:32,580
worked with other government agencies or

694
00:38:58,410 --> 00:35:35,530
consulted with them about how to

695
00:39:02,910 --> 00:38:58,420
approach what you're doing hang on did

696
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:02,920
you hear the caller I wondered if that

697
00:39:07,339 --> 00:39:04,450
might happen that's kind of why I wan to

698
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:07,349
test this the caller wanted to know if

699
00:39:12,839 --> 00:39:10,930
you and Thank You caller I'm going to

700
00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:12,849
I'm going to let you go now Thank You

701
00:39:20,730 --> 00:39:17,740
Philip let's see the caller wanted to

702
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:20,740
know if you've had any talks or anything

703
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:23,140
with a Chinese group it's supposed to be

704
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,070
a very large UFO involved group in China

705
00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:29,920
and he was wondering an association of

706
00:41:39,300 --> 00:39:31,960
some kind if you've had any interaction

707
00:42:39,730 --> 00:41:44,760
outside of that well I have to ask you

708
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:39,740
why you take that position sure I you

709
00:42:43,810 --> 00:42:41,420
know I understand all that I just wanted

710
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:43,820
to hear what you have to say now there's

711
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:47,359
a message up on the message board asking

712
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:50,960
if Chile thinks they are actually

713
00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:55,070
dealing with craft from offworld and if

714
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,760
so how do they make the findings I'm

715
00:43:59,920 --> 00:43:00,560
sorry let me try to read that again how

716
00:44:04,089 --> 00:43:59,930
do they make their findings so I guess

717
00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:04,099
I'll rephrase the question in a little

718
00:44:09,790 --> 00:44:05,990
bit of a different way has there been

719
00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:09,800
any situation where sefa ha has just

720
00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:14,080
said this has to be or most likely

721
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:16,580
that's well I guess it goes back to

722
00:44:22,089 --> 00:44:19,849
speculating but like the French report

723
00:44:25,810 --> 00:44:22,099
the Clamato report that initially got

724
00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:25,820
Leslie interested in this topic you know

725
00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:28,070
they one of the the best theory that

726
00:45:40,780 --> 00:44:29,990
they had hypothesis that they had of

727
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:40,790
this situation is a situation no no I

728
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:45,200
think now I'm gonna go on a wild topic

729
00:45:53,490 --> 00:45:49,250
but semi-related or associated I should

730
00:46:09,359 --> 00:45:53,500
say has this agency ever looked into

731
00:46:22,389 --> 00:46:19,389
the answer is a big no they're not

732
00:47:45,129 --> 00:46:22,399
associated with that at all that's what

733
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:45,139
I wanted to know okay so let me ask you

734
00:47:51,219 --> 00:47:47,569
this question is well well we're on a

735
00:47:53,139 --> 00:47:51,229
similar topic or has the Chilean

736
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:53,149
government ever looked into some of the

737
00:47:58,779 --> 00:47:56,689
major cases that have happened reported

738
00:48:04,720 --> 00:47:58,789
that have happened in different

739
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:04,730
countries or do they know

740
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:35,930
the reason I make an adjustment here

741
00:49:16,740 --> 00:48:38,470
it's gonna make some noise hang on and

742
00:50:25,530 --> 00:49:16,750
okay go ahead and slowly but surely

743
00:50:32,410 --> 00:50:28,330
because of because of the government

744
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:32,420
because of this agency so the the

745
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:34,430
question I had and the reason I had the

746
00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:36,110
question was like for instance you hear

747
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:38,420
a lot of things happening in Brazil

748
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:41,270
which is a neighboring country and I've

749
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,970
just wondered if you is it seems to me

750
00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:46,160
that you could be teachable by certain

751
00:50:49,630 --> 00:50:47,630
things that happened or you could learn

752
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:49,640
something and I just wondered if you

753
00:52:38,549 --> 00:50:51,890
ever pay attention to what's happening

754
00:52:44,289 --> 00:52:42,789
yes now there's a message up on the

755
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:44,299
message board that'll ask you in just a

756
00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:47,240
second but so I'm gonna ask you this a

757
00:52:53,799 --> 00:52:50,420
little bit of a fringy question and that

758
00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:53,809
is has anyone ever reported that you're

759
00:52:58,329 --> 00:52:55,670
aware of that they saw any type of

760
00:53:01,059 --> 00:52:58,339
beings in these crafts or on these

761
00:53:03,579 --> 00:53:01,069
crafts are on the ground or has has

762
00:53:11,319 --> 00:53:03,589
beings ever come into any of the reports

763
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:11,329
that you have looked at seriously well

764
00:53:17,229 --> 00:53:14,690
that was a quick answer okay

765
00:53:19,569 --> 00:53:17,239
so Jose we have a few minutes left here

766
00:53:21,970 --> 00:53:19,579
for the first hour and then we take a

767
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:21,980
real quick music break and jump into the

768
00:53:26,799 --> 00:53:24,650
second hour so the question to you is do

769
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:26,809
you want to hang out for the second hour

770
00:53:38,019 --> 00:53:30,880
of the show or a little bit of it or are

771
00:53:40,539 --> 00:53:38,029
you late that's that's really nice yeah

772
00:53:43,059 --> 00:53:40,549
and just to let the listener know poor

773
00:53:44,229 --> 00:53:43,069
Jose has been very sick and he still

774
00:53:46,569 --> 00:53:44,239
wanted to go through with this show

775
00:53:49,479 --> 00:53:46,579
tonight so you'll have to apologize him

776
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:49,489
for giving a cop here and there okay

777
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:53,599
up on the message board Shane wants to

778
00:53:59,799 --> 00:53:56,089
know what are your group's findings in

779
00:54:02,370 --> 00:53:59,809
general at this point and I don't know

780
00:54:03,759 --> 00:54:02,380
if I should word that better for you

781
00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:03,769
Jose

782
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:06,440
let's just say what is the overall

783
00:54:18,979 --> 00:54:09,200
findings of the group since this has

784
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:26,640
you think of a way to know what is the

785
00:54:34,769 --> 00:54:29,400
sort of conclusion or the position that

786
00:56:10,109 --> 00:54:34,779
has regarding the work that you've done

787
00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:10,119
you know what is your I was in thank you

788
00:56:14,969 --> 00:56:11,950
for that I was in an office yesterday

789
00:56:17,729 --> 00:56:14,979
and there was this older gentleman that

790
00:56:21,059 --> 00:56:17,739
was in marketing and like a Harvard

791
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:21,069
Graduate type of gentleman and and I

792
00:56:25,620 --> 00:56:23,049
said oh I have to do recording on a show

793
00:56:29,609 --> 00:56:25,630
I was recording with Alejandro

794
00:56:31,859 --> 00:56:29,619
rojas for his show and so he asked me

795
00:56:35,099 --> 00:56:31,869
well would you do the show on and I said

796
00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:35,109
UFOs and he looked at me with this look

797
00:56:40,340 --> 00:56:38,440
like I was out of my mind and so I just

798
00:56:42,780 --> 00:56:40,350
looked at him and I said you know the

799
00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:42,790
something is happening and I'm not going

800
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:45,190
to say that I know what is happening but

801
00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:48,880
it's a curious situation and something

802
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:51,550
to look into and you know that's kind of

803
00:56:58,020 --> 00:56:55,900
my answer to someone that wants to think

804
00:56:59,540 --> 00:56:58,030
this is a total French thing that

805
00:57:02,940 --> 00:56:59,550
something is definitely happening

806
00:57:05,820 --> 00:57:02,950
because all of these people cannot be

807
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:05,830
seeing something that is not existing

808
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:07,510
you know it's just an impossibility

809
00:58:27,050 --> 00:57:12,760
that's right yeah yep so we're ready to

810
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:30,450
welcome back were on the line with Jose

811
00:58:38,010 --> 00:58:34,450
lay down in Chile and also Leslie cane

812
00:58:41,610 --> 00:58:38,020
in New York and we are talking in this

813
00:58:42,750 --> 00:58:41,620
hour continuing on and I believe I had a

814
00:58:47,370 --> 00:58:42,760
question up here

815
00:58:50,970 --> 00:58:47,380
yes this question is for you Jose as are

816
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:50,980
there any cases in the Chilean cases

817
00:59:15,500 --> 00:58:54,730
that have actual physical evidence like

818
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:16,230
oh I was just the description of a

819
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:26,610
landing that is nothing whatsoever just

820
01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:35,200
fly by change of directions change of

821
01:01:21,359 --> 01:00:36,900
direction

822
01:01:24,450 --> 01:01:21,369
a number of those tapes with subtitles

823
01:01:26,339 --> 01:01:24,460
put on them so you can actually hear the

824
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:26,349
exchange between the pilots and the

825
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,970
ground there really and you can hear the

826
01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:29,520
pilots describing what they're seeing

827
01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:31,990
these are really interesting I just want

828
01:01:36,839 --> 01:01:34,750
to add to the evidence even though they

829
01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:36,849
don't have ground traces in terms of

830
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,470
physical evidence they do have a number

831
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:40,000
of cases with very interesting

832
01:01:44,790 --> 01:01:43,359
photographs and they also have radar so

833
01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:44,800
although that's not really physical

834
01:01:48,690 --> 01:01:46,420
evidence in the sense that the question

835
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:48,700
are meant it it's still very sort of

836
01:01:53,849 --> 01:01:51,369
concrete hard evidence showing the

837
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:53,859
physicality of the object and they've

838
01:01:57,540 --> 01:01:56,079
done some really great photo analysis

839
01:01:58,170 --> 01:01:57,550
they have some great experts that do

840
01:02:01,470 --> 01:01:58,180
photo

841
01:02:02,970 --> 01:02:01,480
annal analyzing for them and for

842
01:02:05,550 --> 01:02:02,980
instance this AGGA case that we just

843
01:02:07,770 --> 01:02:05,560
been talking about has has video and

844
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:07,780
there's other cases that have video and

845
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:09,490
there's some cases that are still

846
01:02:13,890 --> 01:02:11,050
photographs and those are really really

847
01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:13,900
important because they're so well vetted

848
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:16,390
they're not just like something you find

849
01:02:21,210 --> 01:02:19,210
on YouTube you know these are cases

850
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:21,220
where they vetted the witnesses they

851
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:22,810
know who took the photographs they're

852
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:25,569
turned over immediately they know

853
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:27,250
everything about their chain of custody

854
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,650
and how they were created and and

855
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:31,599
they're usually involving very very

856
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:33,310
credible people and then of course they

857
01:02:40,290 --> 01:02:37,450
have their analysts do in bail in-depth

858
01:02:42,030 --> 01:02:40,300
studies of the photo so their I value

859
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:42,040
the photos a lot that come out of the so

860
01:02:50,460 --> 01:02:42,609
far

861
01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:50,470
case is historic cases

862
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:54,460
there's one you just mentioned with have

863
01:04:45,829 --> 01:02:57,520
you gone back further two cases that

864
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:53,540
crazy or something like that something

865
01:05:03,030 --> 01:04:59,920
extremely unusual and this I call it is

866
01:05:33,299 --> 01:05:03,040
for us he's a member of our committee

867
01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:33,309
and the army now Leslie when did you

868
01:05:39,059 --> 01:05:36,040
first get in contact with the Chilean

869
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:39,069
this office or did they reach out to you

870
01:05:45,210 --> 01:05:43,390
because of your book it was actually

871
01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:45,220
when I was writing my book I've had some

872
01:05:48,539 --> 01:05:46,869
contact with the office prior to that

873
01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:48,549
though because four years before doing

874
01:05:52,670 --> 01:05:50,260
my book I was very interested in

875
01:05:56,250 --> 01:05:52,680
connecting you know making contact with

876
01:05:57,900 --> 01:05:56,260
government agencies and and I had done a

877
01:06:01,440 --> 01:05:57,910
couple of interviews with general

878
01:06:04,890 --> 01:06:01,450
Bermudez over the years before my book

879
01:06:07,470 --> 01:06:04,900
and then when I actually was writing the

880
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:07,480
book I invited him to write a chapter

881
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:09,369
and of course general Bermudez being the

882
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:11,890
director of the Sephiroth so he wrote a

883
01:06:18,809 --> 01:06:15,849
chapter for the book and then when there

884
01:06:21,539 --> 01:06:18,819
was a case called el Bosque which was

885
01:06:24,289 --> 01:06:21,549
the first case I reported on after the

886
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:24,299
book came out from the chilean agency

887
01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:31,119
and i think that was in maybe 2011 when

888
01:06:37,470 --> 01:06:36,190
that case was about three three or four

889
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:37,480
you know between three and three and a

890
01:06:42,539 --> 01:06:38,890
half years ago it was when I really

891
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:42,549
became more involved and that and that

892
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:44,230
was when I was reporting on that first

893
01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:45,760
case which I wrote a number of articles

894
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:47,500
about the nothing post it was quite

895
01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:49,450
controversial but and that was the case

896
01:07:10,620 --> 01:06:51,369
that involved some video that was taken

897
01:07:43,979 --> 01:07:41,180
kept on the inside what's going on okay

898
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:43,989
Leslie for some reason there's some

899
01:07:53,099 --> 01:07:47,049
major static someone on the message

900
01:07:57,539 --> 01:07:53,109
board just said it was en si and it just

901
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:57,549
seems to Leslie I'm gonna have to ask

902
01:08:03,269 --> 01:08:00,640
you to hang up and then try to reconnect

903
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,279
with a however you just did it earlier

904
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:05,680
and see if we can fix that issue real

905
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:09,729
quickly if you don't mind okay just just

906
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:14,400
wait a minute it seems to be working now

907
01:08:27,450 --> 01:08:21,520
okay it just okay no sorry about that

908
01:08:28,829 --> 01:08:27,460
okay no it's a really very very strange

909
01:08:33,570 --> 01:08:28,839
sound I'm sure all the listeners thought

910
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,580
the same thing it sounded very we heard

911
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:35,199
most of what you just said but it

912
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:37,449
sounded very alien like and I am joking

913
01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:39,040
yes okay

914
01:08:48,180 --> 01:08:43,480
Leslie is it true someone just moved

915
01:08:49,289 --> 01:08:48,190
that message hang on all right okay I'm

916
01:08:52,109 --> 01:08:49,299
sorry

917
01:08:54,899 --> 01:08:52,119
whenever any time someone puts a message

918
01:08:58,109 --> 01:08:54,909
in you lose the message above and I I

919
01:09:01,490 --> 01:08:58,119
had a question for you directly and so

920
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:01,500
while I'm trying to get that sorted out

921
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:06,130
what was the case that initially got

922
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:10,449
this got sefa in gear was there a

923
01:09:15,660 --> 01:09:12,400
certain case that happened out of

924
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:15,670
nowhere that all of a sudden the agency

925
01:09:28,910 --> 01:09:23,890
Jose I think that's a question for Jose

926
01:11:03,940 --> 01:09:28,920
the case Jose that more about that

927
01:12:19,160 --> 01:11:26,210
was asking about conversation that went

928
01:12:23,629 --> 01:12:21,109
we had a call or just tried to call in

929
01:12:25,490 --> 01:12:23,639
and I excuse me I'm working off two

930
01:12:27,169 --> 01:12:25,500
computers missed you so caller if you'd

931
01:12:28,839 --> 01:12:27,179
like to try again I'll try to catch you

932
01:12:33,859 --> 01:12:28,849
this time

933
01:12:36,049 --> 01:12:33,869
so Leslie did I see I'm just going to

934
01:12:36,589 --> 01:12:36,059
change change tracks here just for a

935
01:12:41,180 --> 01:12:36,599
second

936
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:41,190
did I see someone write a book about

937
01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:49,739
your work Martin maybe it was an article

938
01:12:58,490 --> 01:12:54,780
about your work recently no recently

939
01:13:02,060 --> 01:12:58,500
yeah very recently with Michael someone

940
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:02,070
announced something something they were

941
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:06,000
writing about you and you're not aware

942
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,090
of that it's possible no maybe it's

943
01:13:13,339 --> 01:13:11,760
something I don't know about okay now I

944
01:13:15,589 --> 01:13:13,349
actually got an announcement through an

945
01:13:18,260 --> 01:13:15,599
email so I'm gonna take a look after the

946
01:13:20,060 --> 01:13:18,270
show tonight and send that to you

947
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:20,070
because maybe it's being done without

948
01:13:25,939 --> 01:13:23,250
you wanting it to be done but it looked

949
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:25,949
like it was yeah it looked like it was

950
01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:28,170
something positive though I will put put

951
01:13:41,369 --> 01:13:56,949
perhaps it was some sort of I think

952
01:14:02,839 --> 01:13:59,869
there was an e-book that was published a

953
01:14:05,839 --> 01:14:02,849
couple of months ago and it's on Amazon

954
01:14:08,629 --> 01:14:05,849
it's called Oh unknown skies is what

955
01:14:12,529 --> 01:14:08,639
it's called maybe that it was it sounds

956
01:14:14,540 --> 01:14:12,539
it's it's something that a man named

957
01:14:16,850 --> 01:14:14,550
Steve DiNozzo who is basically an

958
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:16,860
interview with me that was consolidated

959
01:14:22,909 --> 01:14:22,169
into a book that he put together that's

960
01:14:28,009 --> 01:14:22,919
exactly it

961
01:14:30,830 --> 01:14:28,019
I know sure okay yeah I just spaced it

962
01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:30,840
out i spaced it out he can barely speak

963
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:33,780
English as a second language and he

964
01:14:41,060 --> 01:14:39,570
cracked it yeah yeah about that I do at

965
01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:41,070
the time lots of time I'll tell you that

966
01:14:45,949 --> 01:14:43,409
but I was really pleased with that

967
01:14:50,659 --> 01:14:45,959
because it sort of gives them more

968
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:50,669
up-to-date perspective from me from you

969
01:14:55,580 --> 01:14:52,860
know what I have to say since the time

970
01:14:57,409 --> 01:14:55,590
my book came out and I think he was the

971
01:14:59,149 --> 01:14:57,419
person to put it together just wanted to

972
01:15:00,619 --> 01:14:59,159
sort of bring it up to date and talk

973
01:15:03,229 --> 01:15:00,629
about some of the work I've been doing

974
01:15:04,879 --> 01:15:03,239
the last couple of years and get my

975
01:15:06,469 --> 01:15:04,889
current thoughts about various things so

976
01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:06,479
that's what that ebook is it's really

977
01:15:11,810 --> 01:15:08,699
inexpensive too if anybody wants to go

978
01:15:14,509 --> 01:15:11,820
on Amazon and check it out uh-huh now

979
01:15:17,839 --> 01:15:14,519
Leslie do you have something else in the

980
01:15:24,409 --> 01:15:17,849
works or thoughts of something more in

981
01:15:27,469 --> 01:15:24,419
the future as far as this topic goes in

982
01:15:29,719 --> 01:15:27,479
terms of this topic I don't really have

983
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,729
much I mean my ultimate goal is of

984
01:15:34,339 --> 01:15:32,159
course to try to bring the United States

985
01:15:36,379 --> 01:15:34,349
government around to the right position

986
01:15:38,929 --> 01:15:36,389
on this issue and I'm not going to stop

987
01:15:41,449 --> 01:15:38,939
working on that it's just as I said

988
01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:41,459
earlier you have to be very patient and

989
01:15:46,729 --> 01:15:43,590
take your take your moments when they

990
01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:46,739
come around I mean I want to continue to

991
01:15:50,869 --> 01:15:49,739
work with the material coming from

992
01:15:54,020 --> 01:15:50,879
Assefa oh there's another really

993
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:54,030
fantastic case that the sefa has on the

994
01:16:02,990 --> 01:15:55,199
under burner now

995
01:16:05,470 --> 01:16:03,000
we can't talk about yet it's can't wait

996
01:16:08,030 --> 01:16:05,480
until I can report on that one and

997
01:16:09,740 --> 01:16:08,040
nothing they always take a while because

998
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:09,750
the thing is Martin they do such a

999
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:11,850
thorough investigation of every case

1000
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:14,760
that it really takes time in there they

1001
01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:17,130
have there no rush just to you know get

1002
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,540
the word out or anything like that they

1003
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:20,880
take the time they need to bring it all

1004
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:22,380
the experts from all these different

1005
01:16:27,220 --> 01:16:25,230
areas and do a really good investigation

1006
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:27,230
so that's there's one underway right now

1007
01:16:32,270 --> 01:16:30,960
which is absolutely fantastic and so I

1008
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,280
look forward to bringing that one

1009
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:34,080
forward when the time comes and I don't

1010
01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:35,730
think it'll be too much longer but I

1011
01:16:43,550 --> 01:16:39,960
don't really know now okay now everyone

1012
01:16:45,169 --> 01:16:43,560
makes mistakes and I know I do believe

1013
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:45,179
that was I just want to talk quickly

1014
01:16:50,959 --> 01:16:48,000
about wasn't and I may be totally wrong

1015
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:50,969
about this but wasn't there supposed to

1016
01:16:57,050 --> 01:16:53,610
be a major sighting at an airfield with

1017
01:17:00,979 --> 01:16:57,060
these jets flying over and wasn't that

1018
01:17:03,140 --> 01:17:00,989
in Chile and didn't that finally get

1019
01:17:25,130 --> 01:17:03,150
analyzed as insects or am i thinking of

1020
01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:25,140
something else please so I had a message

1021
01:17:29,330 --> 01:17:27,750
last time the static happened from the

1022
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:29,340
show producer and he said it was your

1023
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,770
microphone that does that and he says

1024
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:34,080
you may have to plug in and unplug it

1025
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:36,000
and plug it back in or would you be able

1026
01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:38,730
to do that and and do the setting again

1027
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:42,270
to make sure that works and so I'm going

1028
01:17:46,669 --> 01:17:44,489
to I'm going to ask hose eight while

1029
01:17:48,410 --> 01:17:46,679
you're doing that to continue on with

1030
01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:48,420
that case can you talk a little bit

1031
01:17:57,620 --> 01:17:55,230
about that Jose yeah

1032
01:20:04,840 --> 01:17:57,630
was that finally figured out as insects

1033
01:20:10,220 --> 01:20:07,610
know your your mic is off we're getting

1034
01:20:16,990 --> 01:20:10,230
feedback so just make sure the mic

1035
01:20:20,710 --> 01:20:17,000
setting you can you hear me better now I

1036
01:20:23,150 --> 01:20:20,720
think so I'm not hearing feedback

1037
01:20:26,210 --> 01:20:23,160
yeah I heard the feedback before but I

1038
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:26,220
don't now yeah okay yes okay Leslie

1039
01:20:32,180 --> 01:20:30,330
here's a question for you and I cringe

1040
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:32,190
while I'm asking this question Leslie

1041
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:34,650
but I it's up on the message board and

1042
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:37,410
if one person's asking a lot of other

1043
01:20:44,420 --> 01:20:40,410
people will want to know probably how

1044
01:20:47,630 --> 01:20:44,430
would you compare your efforts for

1045
01:20:49,790 --> 01:20:47,640
disclosure with Stephen Bassets please

1046
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:49,800
please don't yell at me or for asking

1047
01:20:55,190 --> 01:20:52,530
that that's okay I mean first of all I'm

1048
01:20:56,540 --> 01:20:55,200
not making an effort for disclosure okay

1049
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:56,550
so that's that's a big difference right

1050
01:21:02,120 --> 01:20:59,400
there that word disclosure I find very

1051
01:21:04,220 --> 01:21:02,130
distasteful and and I don't have any

1052
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:04,230
relationship to it and I'm not working

1053
01:21:09,470 --> 01:21:06,690
towards disclosure in the sense that he

1054
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:09,480
defines it so basically we're just done

1055
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:13,110
completely different as and III just

1056
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:14,910
disagree with him about the way he

1057
01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:16,410
approaches it he's drawn conclusions

1058
01:21:22,250 --> 01:21:18,420
that I don't think are acceptable to

1059
01:21:24,290 --> 01:21:22,260
draw he approaches members of he thinks

1060
01:21:25,820 --> 01:21:24,300
he's approaching government officials I

1061
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:25,830
don't think they really pay attention

1062
01:21:31,940 --> 01:21:28,890
but making claims of extraterrestrial

1063
01:21:34,730 --> 01:21:31,950
contact and all kinds of statements that

1064
01:21:35,900 --> 01:21:34,740
he considers to be real but the

1065
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:35,910
government officials don't take

1066
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:39,330
seriously and so he really isn't I think

1067
01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:41,610
informed about the proper way to

1068
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:46,260
approach government and so those are the

1069
01:21:50,510 --> 01:21:48,690
main two differences I you know that

1070
01:21:52,190 --> 01:21:50,520
I've had a lot of training from public

1071
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:52,200
relations firms in Washington and people

1072
01:21:55,900 --> 01:21:53,520
that I've worked with and I've learned

1073
01:21:59,060 --> 01:21:55,910
how how to talk the language of

1074
01:22:00,860 --> 01:21:59,070
government officials and number two I'm

1075
01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:00,870
not involved with efforts towards

1076
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:03,030
disclosure so those two things are the

1077
01:22:09,170 --> 01:22:05,730
main differences thank you that was a

1078
01:22:11,180 --> 01:22:09,180
good answer and let's see there's

1079
01:22:14,810 --> 01:22:11,190
someone up on the board also that wants

1080
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:14,820
to know have either you Leslie or Jose

1081
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:17,130
either one of you ever had witnessed

1082
01:22:28,180 --> 01:22:25,330
well I'll say no for myself and then I

1083
01:23:18,210 --> 01:22:28,190
think Jose might have more than I do but

1084
01:23:25,570 --> 01:23:21,400
yeah now did this happen before

1085
01:23:35,130 --> 01:23:25,580
you got involved in this in sefa ha

1086
01:23:39,130 --> 01:23:35,140
or was it during the time I see okay

1087
01:23:42,250 --> 01:23:39,140
Lesley another question is coming to you

1088
01:23:54,090 --> 01:23:42,260
after the last comment asking if you

1089
01:24:01,120 --> 01:23:58,030
okay this person was putting it in the

1090
01:24:02,830 --> 01:24:01,130
context of disclosure and I you know I

1091
01:24:05,229 --> 01:24:02,840
basically have an idea of what you're

1092
01:24:13,570 --> 01:24:05,239
going to say but I just thought I'd let

1093
01:24:16,510 --> 01:24:13,580
you say it in your own words I don't

1094
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:16,520
advocate secrecy enforcement yeah

1095
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:19,850
this is uh I'll put it this way and I'm

1096
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:21,650
putting the words in the mouth of the

1097
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:23,570
chatroom here but do you advocate

1098
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:26,090
secrecy over disclosure that's the

1099
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:33,250
I don't I still don't really understand

1100
01:24:38,020 --> 01:24:35,570
the question because disclosure is not

1101
01:24:39,459 --> 01:24:38,030
something that I really relate to I

1102
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:39,469
don't know they have to define what they

1103
01:24:44,770 --> 01:24:43,040
mean by disclosure disclose I guess for

1104
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:44,780
me to understand that okay yeah we'll

1105
01:24:50,379 --> 01:24:46,610
probably move on but I'll just try one

1106
01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:50,389
more time to get the listeners question

1107
01:24:55,209 --> 01:24:53,750
across all right say that we're gonna

1108
01:24:56,979 --> 01:24:55,219
say all right

1109
01:24:58,959 --> 01:24:56,989
so Stephen Bassett is trying to get

1110
01:25:01,450 --> 01:24:58,969
disclosure so the government admits that

1111
01:25:05,530 --> 01:25:01,460
it knows something about the UFO

1112
01:25:08,050 --> 01:25:05,540
phenomenon do you think that idea is a

1113
01:25:10,899 --> 01:25:08,060
good one or like for instance Stan

1114
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:10,909
Stanton Friedman thinks it's not a good

1115
01:25:16,450 --> 01:25:14,210
idea that that there are some things

1116
01:25:18,069 --> 01:25:16,460
that people shouldn't get their hands on

1117
01:25:21,069 --> 01:25:18,079
if they're available to get their hands

1118
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:21,079
on that type of thing so does that

1119
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:24,530
question work any better for you I'll

1120
01:25:28,930 --> 01:25:26,810
try to answer it I mean it's not

1121
01:25:31,390 --> 01:25:28,940
completely clear to me but I think I

1122
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:31,400
think that what when people talk about

1123
01:25:35,290 --> 01:25:33,110
disclosure in the way that Stephen

1124
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:35,300
Bassett defines it they're not talking

1125
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:37,010
about the government acknowledging

1126
01:25:42,339 --> 01:25:39,590
something about UFOs they're talking

1127
01:25:44,050 --> 01:25:42,349
about some kind of moment where a

1128
01:25:46,660 --> 01:25:44,060
government of a country stands up and

1129
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:46,670
says extraterrestrials are here and

1130
01:25:51,550 --> 01:25:49,010
they've been here for since the 40s and

1131
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:51,560
we've been covering it up I think that's

1132
01:25:59,050 --> 01:25:57,170
what he expects to happen when he and so

1133
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,060
the question is do I advocate secrecy

1134
01:26:03,220 --> 01:26:01,040
I'm not even sure if there is a secret

1135
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:03,230
being kept Martin mm-hmm I mean

1136
01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:04,790
certainly the governments of Chile and

1137
01:26:09,490 --> 01:26:07,310
France are not keeping secrets now

1138
01:26:11,379 --> 01:26:09,500
it's good as I wrote in my book and I

1139
01:26:13,209 --> 01:26:11,389
have a whole chapter about this and so

1140
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:13,219
if people really want to understand my

1141
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:14,480
thinking about it that would be the best

1142
01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:15,679
way to understand it because I don't

1143
01:26:21,819 --> 01:26:18,070
have much time here but in a nutshell

1144
01:26:25,209 --> 01:26:21,829
it's conceivable there are major secrets

1145
01:26:26,919 --> 01:26:25,219
being kept by the government that and

1146
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:26,929
it's conceivable to me that there are

1147
01:26:32,020 --> 01:26:29,290
not either way either either either

1148
01:26:34,270 --> 01:26:32,030
aspect of that could be the case and I'm

1149
01:26:38,770 --> 01:26:34,280
not we don't have enough evidence in my

1150
01:26:43,330 --> 01:26:38,780
opinion to assume or that our government

1151
01:26:47,859 --> 01:26:45,700
satisfy me as a journalist I'm not a

1152
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:47,869
ufologist I'm a journalist kind of

1153
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:50,000
looking at this from the outside in and

1154
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:51,710
there's never been evidence as presented

1155
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:54,170
to me to convince me that anybody can

1156
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,570
prove that it might be an interesting

1157
01:27:00,640 --> 01:26:58,400
thing to speculate there might be all

1158
01:27:02,500 --> 01:27:00,650
kinds of belief systems that people have

1159
01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:02,510
or conclusions they've drawn based on

1160
01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:05,510
their own perceptions about the issue

1161
01:27:10,990 --> 01:27:08,300
which is fine they can do that but it's

1162
01:27:13,709 --> 01:27:11,000
not enough to prove and as Jose has said

1163
01:27:19,149 --> 01:27:13,719
it's got to be a universally accepted

1164
01:27:21,220 --> 01:27:19,159
proof and so the conspiracy ideas of the

1165
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:21,230
conspiracists have of government

1166
01:27:27,129 --> 01:27:23,510
cover-ups and and bodies being retrieved

1167
01:27:28,750 --> 01:27:27,139
and all of that there just is no proof

1168
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:28,760
of that there's not enough hard evidence

1169
01:27:34,810 --> 01:27:33,170
for it so it's possible but I'm not

1170
01:27:37,899 --> 01:27:34,820
interested in something that I can't

1171
01:27:41,229 --> 01:27:37,909
that I can't document back up and be

1172
01:27:43,149 --> 01:27:41,239
certain about that's the thing so I

1173
01:27:45,970 --> 01:27:43,159
don't advocate secrecy because I'm not

1174
01:27:47,709 --> 01:27:45,980
sure if there's a secret being kept and

1175
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,719
if there is a secret being kept of

1176
01:27:51,850 --> 01:27:49,520
course I don't advocate for it I believe

1177
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:51,860
that any secrets about this issue should

1178
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:53,840
be released absolutely and that's one of

1179
01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:55,520
the reasons I'm doing what I do is I

1180
01:28:00,820 --> 01:27:58,610
want all the doors to be open I want all

1181
01:28:02,890 --> 01:28:00,830
the information to be released just like

1182
01:28:04,450 --> 01:28:02,900
the rest of us do I think the only

1183
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:04,460
difference I have is I'm not as

1184
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:07,130
convinced as as some are that there is a

1185
01:28:11,950 --> 01:28:09,650
huge secret being kept I just don't know

1186
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:11,960
you know I don't know whether there is

1187
01:28:18,490 --> 01:28:15,679
or not answers the question I think that

1188
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:18,500
totally answers the question and thank

1189
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:21,760
you for that one of the people I had on

1190
01:28:27,370 --> 01:28:23,840
probably about two and a half years ago

1191
01:28:29,740 --> 01:28:27,380
was a gentleman from Sweden and their

1192
01:28:34,359 --> 01:28:29,750
UFO group over there

1193
01:28:36,700 --> 01:28:34,369
his name was glass Swan and he they have

1194
01:28:41,490 --> 01:28:36,710
the largest UFO reference library in the

1195
01:28:45,359 --> 01:28:41,500
entire world I forget how many feet of

1196
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:45,369
book shelving there is just full of UFO

1197
01:28:50,020 --> 01:28:48,110
books where people from all over

1198
01:28:53,919 --> 01:28:50,030
different countries you know will stop

1199
01:28:56,589 --> 01:28:53,929
in and research he also was telling me

1200
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:56,599
in an interview and it's almost like

1201
01:28:59,260 --> 01:28:57,290
there should

1202
01:29:01,690 --> 01:28:59,270
some type of introduction because he was

1203
01:29:04,540 --> 01:29:01,700
saying that they take it serious there

1204
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:04,550
there's never ridicule they look at the

1205
01:29:10,510 --> 01:29:07,010
topic serious and I just wondered have

1206
01:29:12,610 --> 01:29:10,520
you ever looked into Sweden as far as

1207
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:12,620
one of these European countries that

1208
01:29:19,630 --> 01:29:17,210
look more scientifically I'll ask you

1209
01:29:22,450 --> 01:29:19,640
Leslie have you ever looked into Sweden

1210
01:29:25,150 --> 01:29:22,460
yeah well actually Jose has a

1211
01:29:27,370 --> 01:29:25,160
relationship Jose doesn't the stuff well

1212
01:29:37,690 --> 01:29:27,380
I have a relationship with Klaus is it

1213
01:30:10,750 --> 01:29:37,700
from Norway working relationship with

1214
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:10,760
him I believe from Pacific that's

1215
01:30:20,740 --> 01:30:17,810
wonderful Sweden but yeah that's that's

1216
01:30:23,230 --> 01:30:20,750
wonderful but you know I I do remember

1217
01:30:26,860 --> 01:30:23,240
him mentioning that they will turn to

1218
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:26,870
him many times for some type of sighting

1219
01:30:31,870 --> 01:30:28,570
or something that's on the news and he

1220
01:30:34,690 --> 01:30:31,880
will be interviewed and he says he's

1221
01:30:37,690 --> 01:30:34,700
never been ridiculed which i think is

1222
01:30:40,450 --> 01:30:37,700
totally fascinating and very unusual

1223
01:30:42,850 --> 01:30:40,460
well he probably he probably remains

1224
01:30:45,730 --> 01:30:42,860
very level-headed about it too and

1225
01:30:47,170 --> 01:30:45,740
doesn't it doesn't make a lot of wild

1226
01:30:49,260 --> 01:30:47,180
claims like you know that

1227
01:30:51,820 --> 01:30:49,270
extraterrestrials are communicating with

1228
01:30:53,950 --> 01:30:51,830
Fred former presidents of the country

1229
01:30:56,590 --> 01:30:53,960
and things like that he probably doesn't

1230
01:30:59,170 --> 01:30:56,600
go off on these these tangents that

1231
01:31:01,330 --> 01:30:59,180
would would lend themselves to ridicule

1232
01:31:11,020 --> 01:31:01,340
I assume yeah you mean they're not

1233
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:14,360
yeah that's why I encourage people out

1234
01:31:18,530 --> 01:31:16,080
there that regardless of their personal

1235
01:31:20,750 --> 01:31:18,540
beliefs Martin I mean if you want to

1236
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:20,760
believe that Eisenhower met with aliens

1237
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:22,650
in the desert you know fine you can

1238
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:24,330
believe that but if you're talking to

1239
01:31:28,910 --> 01:31:26,370
the media and you're talking to the

1240
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:28,920
political establishment that is not

1241
01:31:33,170 --> 01:31:31,110
something you should talk about you have

1242
01:31:35,330 --> 01:31:33,180
to be you have to pick what you're going

1243
01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:35,340
to say and I've written articles about

1244
01:31:39,470 --> 01:31:36,840
this and I would encourage people to

1245
01:31:42,980 --> 01:31:39,480
just be very discerning to separate

1246
01:31:45,710 --> 01:31:42,990
their personal beliefs from the line

1247
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:45,720
that they want to take in if they expect

1248
01:31:51,020 --> 01:31:48,570
to have a positive influence on the

1249
01:31:52,340 --> 01:31:51,030
status quo uh-huh there's there are two

1250
01:31:55,310 --> 01:31:52,350
different things you can believe what

1251
01:31:57,290 --> 01:31:55,320
you want but you got to say only certain

1252
01:31:59,960 --> 01:31:57,300
things and not other things if you want

1253
01:32:01,610 --> 01:31:59,970
to have and have a forward motion with

1254
01:32:04,430 --> 01:32:01,620
this issue and that's I think what a lot

1255
01:32:06,110 --> 01:32:04,440
of people have trouble separating their

1256
01:32:09,140 --> 01:32:06,120
own belief systems from what is

1257
01:32:10,250 --> 01:32:09,150
appropriate to actually say Leslie I

1258
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:10,260
know you're not going to be able to hear

1259
01:32:15,050 --> 01:32:11,760
a caller but we have a caller on and

1260
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,060
I'll pass the message on to you so call

1261
01:32:20,690 --> 01:32:17,760
her please introduce yourself by first

1262
01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:20,700
name and post your question

1263
01:32:32,900 --> 01:32:28,860
go ahead machine that's my first name is

1264
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:32,910
Lou first name is Lou thank you Kien

1265
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:36,330
came the she had any updates on the

1266
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:39,120
current status of the Belgium triangle

1267
01:32:43,790 --> 01:32:41,850
photo there was a gentleman who yes not

1268
01:32:46,610 --> 01:32:43,800
only many years later claimed if he had

1269
01:32:48,860 --> 01:32:46,620
faked it but originally he was

1270
01:32:51,410 --> 01:32:48,870
established as being legit so my

1271
01:32:53,060 --> 01:32:51,420
question and I'll do you up here and

1272
01:32:55,700 --> 01:32:53,070
thank you very much thank you thank you

1273
01:32:57,650 --> 01:32:55,710
very much Lou sure sure all right Leslie

1274
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:57,660
so the question was did you have any

1275
01:33:03,290 --> 01:33:01,440
updates on the belgian triangle photo i

1276
01:33:06,350 --> 01:33:03,300
remember i believe we talked about this

1277
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:06,360
at one point where at one point they

1278
01:33:10,460 --> 01:33:08,010
thought that photo was legitimate and

1279
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:10,470
then later on discovered that it was not

1280
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:13,050
do you have any any new facts on that at

1281
01:33:17,060 --> 01:33:13,410
all

1282
01:33:19,190 --> 01:33:17,070
I don't have any new facts I don't know

1283
01:33:21,740 --> 01:33:19,200
to what extent the caller

1284
01:33:23,690 --> 01:33:21,750
is informed about it but just what I

1285
01:33:29,480 --> 01:33:23,700
know happened was I think it was in July

1286
01:33:32,330 --> 01:33:29,490
of 2011 yeah I was right people about a

1287
01:33:34,820 --> 01:33:32,340
month before my my this documentary that

1288
01:33:37,310 --> 01:33:34,830
I was very involved with this two-hour

1289
01:33:39,380 --> 01:33:37,320
special for the History Channel came out

1290
01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:39,390
in August of 2011 and we featured that

1291
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:41,880
photograph in that piece and so one

1292
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:44,010
month before that the and it was a

1293
01:33:47,950 --> 01:33:45,810
famous photograph that had been vetted

1294
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:47,960
by all these laboratories I mean it was

1295
01:33:55,100 --> 01:33:51,920
just it was really a shock when the

1296
01:33:57,410 --> 01:33:55,110
shooter came out and July of 2012 and

1297
01:33:58,850 --> 01:33:57,420
announced that he had faked that picture

1298
01:34:02,060 --> 01:33:58,860
that he it was a hoax that he had

1299
01:34:06,380 --> 01:34:02,070
created this model out of styrofoam and

1300
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:06,390
flashlights to build the object and none

1301
01:34:11,330 --> 01:34:08,730
of the photographs of course could could

1302
01:34:13,190 --> 01:34:11,340
you know absolutely eliminate that the

1303
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:13,200
physical object was a hoax they could

1304
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:14,730
eliminate that there any wires or

1305
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:16,650
anything that they could discern in the

1306
01:34:23,420 --> 01:34:21,690
picture but it was so that's basically

1307
01:34:25,460 --> 01:34:23,430
what happened and some of the Belgian

1308
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:25,470
investigators went and spoke with him

1309
01:34:30,020 --> 01:34:27,930
and he was not able to recreate it they

1310
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:30,030
did ask him to recreate the picture and

1311
01:34:34,940 --> 01:34:32,610
he wasn't able to do that you wouldn't

1312
01:34:36,940 --> 01:34:34,950
do did you try there were two other

1313
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:36,950
witnesses

1314
01:34:44,210 --> 01:34:40,530
mm-hmm I'm sorry we have a delay delay

1315
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:44,220
here did he try to recreate the model

1316
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:48,480
and showed the model to anyone well

1317
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:50,250
that's the thing the investigators asked

1318
01:34:54,290 --> 01:34:52,170
him to do that they said well okay if

1319
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:54,300
you built it then build it again for us

1320
01:34:59,060 --> 01:34:57,090
and he wouldn't do it he claimed that

1321
01:35:01,460 --> 01:34:59,070
the kinds of light bulbs that he used

1322
01:35:04,010 --> 01:35:01,470
then were not available I think that was

1323
01:35:05,630 --> 01:35:04,020
his argument but there were a lot of

1324
01:35:08,780 --> 01:35:05,640
issues involved with this this

1325
01:35:10,730 --> 01:35:08,790
photographer being in a big court battle

1326
01:35:12,860 --> 01:35:10,740
with the person who had the copyrights

1327
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,870
to the photographs there's a lot of

1328
01:35:17,540 --> 01:35:14,960
background to this photograph that was

1329
01:35:21,710 --> 01:35:17,550
unpleasant and there were there was a

1330
01:35:22,490 --> 01:35:21,720
fight going on and it's conceivable to

1331
01:35:25,340 --> 01:35:22,500
me either

1332
01:35:27,170 --> 01:35:25,350
we don't know for sure that the photo

1333
01:35:29,330 --> 01:35:27,180
was haunted we have to assume it was

1334
01:35:32,180 --> 01:35:29,340
because the the guy came out and said it

1335
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:32,190
was the guy that shot it but it is

1336
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:33,090
conceivable

1337
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,770
me that he may not be telling the truth

1338
01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:37,199
and that maybe it was a genuine

1339
01:35:40,700 --> 01:35:39,030
photograph and because he's angry with

1340
01:35:42,620 --> 01:35:40,710
the person who wants the copyright who's

1341
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:42,630
been making money on the photograph that

1342
01:35:47,060 --> 01:35:44,400
may there may have been some kind of

1343
01:35:48,129 --> 01:35:47,070
dirty business going on there we don't

1344
01:35:50,270 --> 01:35:48,139
know we have no way of knowing

1345
01:35:52,970 --> 01:35:50,280
unfortunately so we have to assume that

1346
01:35:54,979 --> 01:35:52,980
it was a hoax but it's it's very

1347
01:35:57,770 --> 01:35:54,989
complicated and I think there's always

1348
01:35:59,540 --> 01:35:57,780
the possibility that it wasn't but we'll

1349
01:36:01,280 --> 01:35:59,550
probably never know so we have to as I

1350
01:36:04,820 --> 01:36:01,290
said we have to make that assumption as

1351
01:36:05,959 --> 01:36:04,830
it was a really shocking development and

1352
01:36:06,770 --> 01:36:05,969
no I haven't heard of anything more

1353
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:06,780
recent

1354
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:09,449
I think the Belgians looked into it and

1355
01:36:12,830 --> 01:36:10,530
there was really nothing more they could

1356
01:36:15,169 --> 01:36:12,840
do basically within the first six months

1357
01:36:18,770 --> 01:36:15,179
of a year or so of that discovery being

1358
01:36:22,430 --> 01:36:18,780
made very shocking though I have to tell

1359
01:36:29,689 --> 01:36:22,440
you that was hands-down my favorite UFO

1360
01:36:32,689 --> 01:36:29,699
picture the Costa Rica photograph from

1361
01:36:33,950 --> 01:36:32,699
1971 is will never be proven to be a

1362
01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:33,960
hoax because it was a government

1363
01:36:37,700 --> 01:36:35,820
photograph taken from a government

1364
01:36:42,109 --> 01:36:37,710
airplane and that's my all-time favorite

1365
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:42,119
picture I am as we're moving along here

1366
01:36:45,620 --> 01:36:44,010
I'm gonna try to find that because I

1367
01:36:49,370 --> 01:36:45,630
don't know for sure if I know of that

1368
01:36:51,260 --> 01:36:49,380
one it's the first picture in my book

1369
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:51,270
Martin it's the first picture in the

1370
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:54,960
photo insert my book yeah okay I don't

1371
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:57,690
have that right here with me but okay I

1372
01:37:00,169 --> 01:36:58,080
see it

1373
01:37:02,750 --> 01:37:00,179
Wow yeah that's an amazing picture and

1374
01:37:07,550 --> 01:37:02,760
I'll pull that up and just put a link

1375
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:07,560
into the into the chat room so anyone

1376
01:37:14,209 --> 01:37:12,449
can take a quick peek at it so we have

1377
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:14,219
just to let you know we have about oh I

1378
01:37:20,450 --> 01:37:15,810
don't know maybe 15 minutes or something

1379
01:37:22,729 --> 01:37:20,460
like that and we're welcome to go are

1380
01:37:25,459 --> 01:37:22,739
you are welcome to go into any further

1381
01:37:28,220 --> 01:37:25,469
topic and in your direction you want to

1382
01:37:30,339 --> 01:37:28,230
go Leslie is there anything that you

1383
01:37:34,100 --> 01:37:30,349
think is pressing to get out there to

1384
01:37:40,490 --> 01:37:34,110
the public in any type of way as far as

1385
01:37:42,620 --> 01:37:40,500
the subject goes I know that's a load no

1386
01:37:44,450 --> 01:37:42,630
I just I keep beating up on the same

1387
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:44,460
Drummle I think that you know having

1388
01:37:48,250 --> 01:37:45,920
Jose lie here on the

1389
01:37:50,669 --> 01:37:48,260
is a very precious opportunity and I

1390
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:50,679
just can't stress enough the the

1391
01:37:56,740 --> 01:37:54,650
importance that I see of government

1392
01:38:00,130 --> 01:37:56,750
agencies like the one in Chile

1393
01:38:01,630 --> 01:38:00,140
developing around the world and I think

1394
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:01,640
if we're going to solve the UFO problem

1395
01:38:04,510 --> 01:38:02,570
that's the only way it's going to happen

1396
01:38:06,820 --> 01:38:04,520
and of course the United States being

1397
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:06,830
central to that - the need for

1398
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:11,570
government involvement so that resources

1399
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:14,330
will be liberated within the United

1400
01:38:19,930 --> 01:38:17,840
States right for scientists to become

1401
01:38:21,700 --> 01:38:19,940
involved with this and be until our

1402
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:21,710
government opens the door even just a

1403
01:38:29,860 --> 01:38:25,730
crack to allowing the you know knowledge

1404
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:29,870
us the value of an investigation are

1405
01:38:34,300 --> 01:38:31,730
we're gonna have that door is going to

1406
01:38:36,850 --> 01:38:34,310
remain closed and I think Jose will

1407
01:38:39,490 --> 01:38:36,860
agree although they are doing tremendous

1408
01:38:42,610 --> 01:38:39,500
job there one small country as he said

1409
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:42,620
and I think that general Bermudez and

1410
01:38:46,300 --> 01:38:44,210
Jose Lai both agree that the United

1411
01:38:52,050 --> 01:38:46,310
States needs to come on board it's very

1412
01:38:57,970 --> 01:38:55,900
pardon me both you hang on just one

1413
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:57,980
moment we have another caller caller go

1414
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:00,320
ahead say your first name please and

1415
01:39:08,590 --> 01:39:06,770
your question being tell us more about

1416
01:39:12,010 --> 01:39:08,600
the chili photo that she liked so much

1417
01:39:14,020 --> 01:39:12,020
the background on the context of it that

1418
01:39:16,030 --> 01:39:14,030
would be interesting to hear and is she

1419
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:16,040
worried about the US government

1420
01:39:19,959 --> 01:39:18,560
undermining the chilean effort like they

1421
01:39:23,620 --> 01:39:19,969
did with like end day in the political

1422
01:39:25,380 --> 01:39:23,630
sphere and I'll take my answers off here

1423
01:39:27,790 --> 01:39:25,390
and thank you for your time thank you

1424
01:39:32,350 --> 01:39:27,800
first of all it's a two-part question

1425
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:32,360
Leslie the Costa Rica image he wanted a

1426
01:39:37,900 --> 01:39:35,690
little more elaboration what you you

1427
01:39:40,450 --> 01:39:37,910
know what you thought about that the

1428
01:39:44,530 --> 01:39:40,460
credibility of it and and all that and

1429
01:39:47,169 --> 01:39:44,540
secondly has anyone worried that the

1430
01:39:48,939 --> 01:39:47,179
Chilean government would undermine any

1431
01:39:52,270 --> 01:39:48,949
part of the Chilean government would

1432
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:52,280
under undermine sefa ha as they move

1433
01:40:00,640 --> 01:39:59,020
well when Jose take the second part of

1434
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:00,650
that Jose is there any part of your

1435
01:41:04,030 --> 01:40:02,690
government that could undermine the work

1436
01:41:13,689 --> 01:41:04,040
that you're doing to take a decision to

1437
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:13,699
just okay and Leslie the other part of

1438
01:41:18,340 --> 01:41:16,250
that you sort of explained about the

1439
01:41:22,540 --> 01:41:18,350
image but you can go into a little more

1440
01:41:24,490 --> 01:41:22,550
detail if you'd like yeah I mean again

1441
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:24,500
it's if anybody looks it up online

1442
01:41:29,250 --> 01:41:26,239
they'll find a lot more information but

1443
01:41:31,390 --> 01:41:29,260
it was um there was a mapping plane a

1444
01:41:33,580 --> 01:41:31,400
geographical mapping plane that was

1445
01:41:36,490 --> 01:41:33,590
flying over Costa Rica and so they had a

1446
01:41:38,860 --> 01:41:36,500
camera strapped to the outside of the

1447
01:41:41,169 --> 01:41:38,870
airplane and that the the work of that

1448
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:41,179
camera was to just snap these different

1449
01:41:47,229 --> 01:41:43,850
shots of the ground they were sort of

1450
01:41:49,330 --> 01:41:47,239
making a grid and documenting the layout

1451
01:41:51,250 --> 01:41:49,340
of the ground and like every I don't

1452
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:51,260
know 15 seconds or every certain amount

1453
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:53,330
of time the camera would snap and it was

1454
01:41:57,220 --> 01:41:54,800
was interesting about it was a very

1455
01:41:59,800 --> 01:41:57,230
large negative because they were trying

1456
01:42:02,770 --> 01:41:59,810
to get as much detail as possible of

1457
01:42:04,570 --> 01:42:02,780
these shots of the ground and in one of

1458
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:04,580
the shots there was this disc that

1459
01:42:09,649 --> 01:42:07,850
showed up in the image very very clearly

1460
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:09,659
again because it was such a big negative

1461
01:42:12,919 --> 01:42:11,610
which meant at high resolution and what

1462
01:42:15,890 --> 01:42:12,929
was interesting about it was that it was

1463
01:42:18,350 --> 01:42:15,900
underneath the plane most shots of UFOs

1464
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:18,360
you're looking up at the UFO but this

1465
01:42:24,109 --> 01:42:20,010
one you're looking down at it which is

1466
01:42:26,029 --> 01:42:24,119
really interesting it was analyzed by

1467
01:42:28,250 --> 01:42:26,039
experts there's a lot of information

1468
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,260
that was able to be determined about it

1469
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,760
you could see the way the Sun is hitting

1470
01:42:34,129 --> 01:42:32,159
it from a certain angle it was they were

1471
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:34,139
able to determine things about the speed

1472
01:42:41,239 --> 01:42:36,840
etc and the important thing was that it

1473
01:42:44,779 --> 01:42:41,249
was a government airplane so the it was

1474
01:42:50,469 --> 01:42:44,789
just one shot out of many so we know

1475
01:43:36,620 --> 01:42:58,640
the line of that photograph and in the

1476
01:43:51,890 --> 01:43:36,630
book but you can probably find it also

1477
01:43:55,969 --> 01:43:51,900
doing a mapping all right now that came

1478
01:43:59,419 --> 01:43:55,979
up earlier is is it really true that the

1479
01:44:05,899 --> 01:43:59,429
FAA discourages pilots on coming forward

1480
01:44:12,020 --> 01:44:05,909
about UAP encounters and this is the

1481
01:44:14,779 --> 01:44:12,030
u.s. written about this in my book

1482
01:44:16,759 --> 01:44:14,789
actually has a a manual that it's their

1483
01:44:18,649 --> 01:44:16,769
employees handbook or something like

1484
01:44:21,259 --> 01:44:18,659
that or manual their employees which

1485
01:44:23,690 --> 01:44:21,269
tells their pilots and any other

1486
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:23,700
employee that if they see a

1487
01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:26,610
you fo they are not to report to the FAA

1488
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:27,960
but they're to go to a civilian

1489
01:44:32,510 --> 01:44:29,970
organization and that the FAA basically

1490
01:44:35,420 --> 01:44:32,520
doesn't want to hear anything about UFOs

1491
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:35,430
it's not within their jurisdiction so

1492
01:44:42,020 --> 01:44:37,890
they send them to either the national

1493
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:42,030
UFO Reporting Center or to another group

1494
01:44:46,490 --> 01:44:45,570
which was set up by Bigelow what's his

1495
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:46,500
first name

1496
01:44:55,610 --> 01:44:53,130
you know I mean wait and so it's it's

1497
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:55,620
it's true I mean the FAA does not like

1498
01:45:00,340 --> 01:44:58,320
their pilots to report and and the the

1499
01:45:04,250 --> 01:45:00,350
pilots don't have any reporting forms

1500
01:45:06,410 --> 01:45:04,260
they have no no no you know way to

1501
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:06,420
report it even if they want to I mean

1502
01:45:11,570 --> 01:45:09,450
for all these other obscure things like

1503
01:45:13,940 --> 01:45:11,580
let's say volcanic dust or something

1504
01:45:15,710 --> 01:45:13,950
like that that might be a danger to the

1505
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:15,720
aircraft or a laser beam that was

1506
01:45:21,410 --> 01:45:18,480
shooting in through the cockpit there

1507
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:21,420
are forms that they have to fill out for

1508
01:45:27,470 --> 01:45:24,690
very obscure things but there's no forms

1509
01:45:30,530 --> 01:45:27,480
for this I think so they're sort of

1510
01:45:33,170 --> 01:45:30,540
stuck with we do it I think they also

1511
01:45:35,810 --> 01:45:33,180
have a form for any flight dangers of

1512
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:35,820
any kind you know but that you know

1513
01:45:41,930 --> 01:45:38,130
could loosely be used for that but yeah

1514
01:45:44,990 --> 01:45:41,940
they don't have any forms and another

1515
01:45:49,190 --> 01:45:45,000
question or it continues did you happen

1516
01:45:51,230 --> 01:45:49,200
to see the recent obama pilot that came

1517
01:45:53,420 --> 01:45:51,240
out about his major sighting I thought

1518
01:45:55,850 --> 01:45:53,430
that was a very well done that was

1519
01:46:00,830 --> 01:45:55,860
actually on Fox News which I personally

1520
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,840
never watched but I thought the the

1521
01:46:04,010 --> 01:46:02,400
video clip of it was very good I

1522
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:04,020
wondered if you had a chance to see that

1523
01:46:09,470 --> 01:46:07,770
Lesley I actually didn't I have to

1524
01:46:11,810 --> 01:46:09,480
confess I didn't see the video but I did

1525
01:46:14,510 --> 01:46:11,820
read the initial article that came out

1526
01:46:16,580 --> 01:46:14,520
which quoted him and and which he I

1527
01:46:18,020 --> 01:46:16,590
think he wrote that article himself I

1528
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:18,030
think it didn't have his name on it

1529
01:46:23,300 --> 01:46:21,810
initially possibly um and yeah I did

1530
01:46:25,300 --> 01:46:23,310
read about it and I thought it was

1531
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:25,310
fantastic that he came forward like that

1532
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:28,050
absolutely very very interesting

1533
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:30,960
so as a again we we don't have too much

1534
01:46:35,870 --> 01:46:32,850
time but one of the things you mentioned

1535
01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:35,880
real early on in the interview is

1536
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:38,340
it wouldn't cost much to set up

1537
01:46:42,290 --> 01:46:41,250
something that similar to what the

1538
01:46:44,330 --> 01:46:42,300
Chilean government

1539
01:46:46,430 --> 01:46:44,340
I mean we're spending money maybe maybe

1540
01:46:48,649 --> 01:46:46,440
it doesn't cost enough it has to cost a

1541
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:48,659
lot more before the government would be

1542
01:46:53,959 --> 01:46:50,880
interested in spending the money but it

1543
01:46:55,609 --> 01:46:53,969
doesn't seem like it would be a real

1544
01:46:58,430 --> 01:46:55,619
high expense it's more or less

1545
01:47:01,930 --> 01:46:58,440
cooperation from branches of the

1546
01:47:04,490 --> 01:47:01,940
government and I believe the office the

1547
01:47:07,780 --> 01:47:04,500
cephus only has about five people am i

1548
01:47:12,919 --> 01:47:07,790
right or is it more than better in house

1549
01:47:14,899 --> 01:47:12,929
four okay full-time staff yep and the

1550
01:47:16,970 --> 01:47:14,909
thing is in America we wouldn't I mean

1551
01:47:20,450 --> 01:47:16,980
what I'm advocating for is even less

1552
01:47:23,419 --> 01:47:20,460
than that even if we only had one two

1553
01:47:25,010 --> 01:47:23,429
would be better but even one person just

1554
01:47:26,209 --> 01:47:25,020
sitting in an office let's say within

1555
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:26,219
the Office of Science and Technology

1556
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:29,010
Policy or somewhere that would initially

1557
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:31,050
just maybe even do a six month

1558
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:33,330
assessment that would initially be

1559
01:47:37,970 --> 01:47:35,850
posted to do an assessment in

1560
01:47:40,430 --> 01:47:37,980
cooperation with other governments such

1561
01:47:42,970 --> 01:47:40,440
as the one in Chile as to whether this

1562
01:47:46,010 --> 01:47:42,980
issue was worthy of the United States

1563
01:47:48,050 --> 01:47:46,020
investigation that wouldn't cost

1564
01:47:50,959 --> 01:47:48,060
anything except the salary for the

1565
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:50,969
staffer if the office was actually set

1566
01:47:55,700 --> 01:47:52,650
up and there was a case that came along

1567
01:47:57,859 --> 01:47:55,710
it as you say Martin what what what the

1568
01:48:00,680 --> 01:47:57,869
Chileans do and what we could do here is

1569
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:00,690
to rely on experts from all these

1570
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:04,050
different areas to give their time and

1571
01:48:08,510 --> 01:48:06,090
letting their resources to this agency

1572
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:08,520
so if we needed a weather expert or we

1573
01:48:14,180 --> 01:48:11,010
needed a photo analyst or a soil expert

1574
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:14,190
or whatever something like that there

1575
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:16,800
would be laboratories and resources

1576
01:48:20,570 --> 01:48:18,810
available to this agency so that we

1577
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:20,580
would there may be some fees that would

1578
01:48:27,919 --> 01:48:24,000
have to be paid but basically people can

1579
01:48:30,620 --> 01:48:27,929
people would contribute their their time

1580
01:48:32,780 --> 01:48:30,630
and their resources meaning their labs

1581
01:48:35,540 --> 01:48:32,790
or their their knowledge of whether

1582
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:35,550
their knowledge of radar a civilian

1583
01:48:39,410 --> 01:48:37,679
organization can't get access to all the

1584
01:48:40,669 --> 01:48:39,420
information that's necessary that's the

1585
01:48:44,060 --> 01:48:40,679
bottom line and a government official

1586
01:48:46,189 --> 01:48:44,070
even just one person if something

1587
01:48:48,830 --> 01:48:46,199
happens and there's radar they can they

1588
01:48:50,900 --> 01:48:48,840
can get that radar sent over to them

1589
01:48:53,630 --> 01:48:50,910
whereas a civilian organization has to

1590
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:53,640
file a Freedom of Information Act and

1591
01:48:56,690 --> 01:48:55,170
then they have to wait forever and then

1592
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:56,700
the thing might be destroyed or they

1593
01:49:01,910 --> 01:48:59,520
might never get it so you need even just

1594
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:01,920
one person who can order the information

1595
01:49:06,650 --> 01:49:04,050
that to be supplied to them right away

1596
01:49:09,740 --> 01:49:06,660
and do some kind of immediate they can

1597
01:49:12,590 --> 01:49:09,750
also order that the witnesses from an

1598
01:49:14,060 --> 01:49:12,600
airline be interviewed by them in the

1599
01:49:16,100 --> 01:49:14,070
O'Hare incident none of the witnesses

1600
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:16,110
were interviewed they wouldn't give

1601
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,050
their names the O'Hare incident of 2006

1602
01:49:24,500 --> 01:49:22,560
if you had a staffer in Washington who

1603
01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:24,510
had immediate access to everything he

1604
01:49:29,570 --> 01:49:26,520
would fly right out or she fly right out

1605
01:49:31,340 --> 01:49:29,580
to Chicago and all those witnesses would

1606
01:49:34,130 --> 01:49:31,350
have been interviewed on the record by

1607
01:49:36,230 --> 01:49:34,140
that person so it's it's so much of it

1608
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:36,240
it's just having someone in place that

1609
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:38,490
has access to information and that

1610
01:49:43,820 --> 01:49:41,730
doesn't cost much right do you think a

1611
01:49:45,500 --> 01:49:43,830
lot of the attitude I don't know if

1612
01:49:48,860 --> 01:49:45,510
you've ever looked into this Leslie or

1613
01:49:53,570 --> 01:49:48,870
not but the Robertson panel back I think

1614
01:49:55,190 --> 01:49:53,580
was 1952 it have you ever wondered if

1615
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:55,200
you have if you've looked into that

1616
01:50:00,350 --> 01:49:57,570
subject at all have you ever wondered

1617
01:50:03,890 --> 01:50:00,360
that that's in part of the reason why

1618
01:50:05,480 --> 01:50:03,900
the government is not you know

1619
01:50:09,770 --> 01:50:05,490
committing themselves to do anything

1620
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:09,780
like this well I certainly think the

1621
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:12,110
Robertson panel had an effect on

1622
01:50:16,690 --> 01:50:14,370
establishing a sort of an attitude of

1623
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:16,700
ridicule towards the subject back in the

1624
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:19,170
1953 was when it existed and all through

1625
01:50:23,480 --> 01:50:21,450
the the life of Project Blue Book I

1626
01:50:25,570 --> 01:50:23,490
think that the conclusions of the

1627
01:50:28,370 --> 01:50:25,580
Robertson panel certainly had an effect

1628
01:50:30,710 --> 01:50:28,380
which were to kind of undermine any

1629
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:30,720
civilian efforts and and and they

1630
01:50:35,900 --> 01:50:33,210
actually wrote in that in that document

1631
01:50:37,580 --> 01:50:35,910
so that they wanted to ridicule it and

1632
01:50:39,860 --> 01:50:37,590
debunk it I guess they use the word

1633
01:50:42,890 --> 01:50:39,870
debunk so there was sort of a

1634
01:50:45,170 --> 01:50:42,900
recommendation for a policy of debunking

1635
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:45,180
that was set up through the CIA in this

1636
01:50:49,550 --> 01:50:47,610
document and that influenced the I'm

1637
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:49,560
sure it influenced the media coverage

1638
01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:53,250
and the project Bluebook attitudes of

1639
01:50:57,470 --> 01:50:54,630
the employees there and so on and

1640
01:50:59,480 --> 01:50:57,480
whether it survived there's any direct

1641
01:51:01,940 --> 01:50:59,490
relationship to what's going on today I

1642
01:51:02,540 --> 01:51:01,950
mean it's hard to pinpoint it but I

1643
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:02,550
think

1644
01:51:10,430 --> 01:51:06,570
one sprig would close down this this

1645
01:51:12,979 --> 01:51:10,440
issue was just so much kind of off the

1646
01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:12,989
radar for government people by the time

1647
01:51:17,419 --> 01:51:16,110
blue but closed down they just had every

1648
01:51:20,689 --> 01:51:17,429
excuse in the world not to pay attention

1649
01:51:22,939 --> 01:51:20,699
to it unfortunately and and then the

1650
01:51:25,569 --> 01:51:22,949
attitudes became so ingrained the

1651
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:25,579
attitudes of not taking it seriously

1652
01:51:30,260 --> 01:51:28,320
that over decade after decade after

1653
01:51:33,950 --> 01:51:30,270
decade had just become entrenched

1654
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:33,960
in the thinking of and and the culture

1655
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:36,090
and of the political establishment and

1656
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:38,010
so it's been a long long long process

1657
01:51:43,459 --> 01:51:40,050
with the Robertson panel as one

1658
01:51:45,319 --> 01:51:43,469
component of it I would agree a one

1659
01:51:48,049 --> 01:51:45,329
component of many that have influenced

1660
01:51:51,129 --> 01:51:48,059
this unfortunate stalemate that we face

1661
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:51,139
right now right right

1662
01:51:59,680 --> 01:51:53,610
what do you think and we only have a few

1663
01:52:03,649 --> 01:51:59,690
minutes left just just two minutes and

1664
01:52:05,299 --> 01:52:03,659
I'm wondering so make that about a

1665
01:52:10,330 --> 01:52:05,309
minute and a half I'm just looking right

1666
01:52:13,549 --> 01:52:10,340
now I'm wondering what type of advocate

1667
01:52:16,220 --> 01:52:13,559
and the public eye would be helpful do

1668
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:16,230
you think first of all I think it would

1669
01:52:22,609 --> 01:52:18,690
be a death sentence as far as someone's

1670
01:52:24,379 --> 01:52:22,619
political career to advocate UFOs but do

1671
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:24,389
you think there could be another public

1672
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,250
person do you think that would have to

1673
01:52:29,660 --> 01:52:28,320
be a celebrity or someone that would

1674
01:52:34,729 --> 01:52:29,670
make a difference could make a

1675
01:52:36,770 --> 01:52:34,739
difference well I think more useful than

1676
01:52:39,140 --> 01:52:36,780
a celebrity might be somebody let's say

1677
01:52:41,930 --> 01:52:39,150
who's retired from public office or

1678
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:41,940
who's some kind of a policymaker a very

1679
01:52:48,379 --> 01:52:44,639
influential player in in Washington but

1680
01:52:51,950 --> 01:52:48,389
may not be a part of the you know

1681
01:52:56,299 --> 01:52:51,960
elected he's not necessarily an elected

1682
01:52:58,760 --> 01:52:56,309
official he or she and does not have a

1683
01:53:01,010 --> 01:52:58,770
lot at stake isn't working for somebody

1684
01:53:04,430 --> 01:53:01,020
who is running for office or that kind

1685
01:53:07,850 --> 01:53:04,440
of thing somebody who has good

1686
01:53:10,250 --> 01:53:07,860
connections but it's not running for

1687
01:53:12,140 --> 01:53:10,260
office and therefore can afford to take

1688
01:53:16,910 --> 01:53:12,150
some risks if you see what I see I'm

1689
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,920
sorry I do yep I'm sorry we

1690
01:53:20,750 --> 01:53:18,480
a delay here I'm gonna have to cut it

1691
01:53:23,780 --> 01:53:20,760
short we're out of time

1692
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:23,790
so Leslie quickly say your website if

1693
01:53:32,750 --> 01:53:28,890
you would my website is UFOs on the

1694
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:32,760
record calm UFOs on the record calm and

1695
01:53:38,209 --> 01:53:35,520
I'm also on an author page on Facebook

1696
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:38,219
everybody can come on - well thank you

1697
01:53:42,169 --> 01:53:40,080
both very much that's the end of the

1698
01:53:45,380 --> 01:53:42,179
show thank you everyone for listening I

1699
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,390
want to thank Alejandro Rojas for his

1700
01:53:49,070 --> 01:53:47,520
news in the beginning and Peggy's

1701
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:49,080
shunning for managing the Facebook page

1702
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:50,880
and that's it we'll be back next week